What I like about MobLogic is that you are pointing out how the power of perception is playing us all. Will we ever know what's really happening in the world without going there and finding out ourselves? Even then, will we be able to go in with an open mind to listen?
By the way, I would love to see outtakes from people who were not willing to answer Lindsay's questions :)
adamelend
· 1 year ago
coming your way - we definitely plan on showing you that kind of stuff.
Lairor
· 1 year ago
Nice show. It couldn't have been easy playing the devil's advocate against one of the most respected people in the world.
It isn't a coincidence this is happening in the same year as the Olympic Games. All eyes are on China right so anything they do in reaction gets noticed tenfold. I think a boycott of the Olympics is in order. And not just because of Tibet but because China is China (and I'm talking about the PRC, I have nothing but respect for Taiwan) and their long history of human rights abuses, censorship, and overall poor treatment of their own people is contrary to the spirit of the games. Maybe I'm still just bitter about Toronto losing the bid but it is absolutely ridiculously the Olympics are being held in China. We could very well have a Munich meets Tian'anmen on our hands.
Curtis Faith
· 1 year ago
You know, I think other countries should boycott China but we in the U.S. would be showing a lot of damn nerve boycotting China when we are responsible for deaths of perhaps 200,000 to 500,000 Iraqi civilians and when we have more black prisoners than China has for all races and they are a much larger country.
Nope, I think we need to clean up our own act first rather than getting all indignant on the Chinese.
That having been said, Tibet should be free. I think we can help more by setting a good example first before denouncing China.
heyheyjk
· 1 year ago
That's an interesting "pot calling the kettle black" analogy on the U.S. boycotting China - not that it's going to happen according to W. While I can see what inflector is saying, if we wait until we clean up our act here, Tibet could be completely wiped out. This should be the most interesting Olympics in a long while - and not for the games, themselves. But, to sort of back up Lairor, it would have been so much better if the IOC had never even allowed Beijing to be considered and made the statement that they will never be considered based on ... and then just go down the list. At least the EOC is discussing boycotts and it was nice to see the good people of NYC backing up the Dalia Lama and Tibetan people on this one.
heyheyjk
· 1 year ago
Oh, wait - THIS JUST IN: "China warned Europe on Thursday not to interfere with the situation in Tibet ahead of a two-day meeting of foreign ministers from the 27-member European Union." Here's the link I got that from but check your local listings - http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/asia/...
heyheyjk
· 1 year ago
Sorry, one more new tidbit: "Dharamsala: The Chinese security forces have seized portraits and recorded CDs of the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan government-in-exile here said on Thursday.
The Dalai Lama's speeches and portraits are banned across Tibet by the Chinese authorities. “70 portraits of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and a few of his recorded CDs were seized in Karze county,” a spokesperson of the Tibetan government-in-exile said." SOURCE: http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14631139
andyswan
· 1 year ago
I guess it's all how you frame the question. "Should rioters in Tibet be targeting violent attacks against ethnic minorities in Lhasa, stoning the elderly, stabbing the unconscious and burning mosques?" That might have prompted some different responses too.
I'm really pretty ignorant when it comes to Tibet. I mean...don't get me wrong....I've read as many bumper stickers as the next guy....but I guess if I'm going to have to choose I side I'll go against the communist oppressors and side with the ass-kicking monks who have been pushed around one too many times :)
amandaE
· 1 year ago
I'm double-commenting (blog and video) because this is really important:
Today, about 30 young Tibetan monks interrupted a briefing with the foreign press in Tibet. "Don't believe them. They are tricking you. They are telling lies"
Today's blog post does a really nice job of framing the issue... and I'm allowed to say that because I didn't write it:) Check it out - and nice work, Amanda.
amandaE
· 1 year ago
Thanks!
jeffmarks7
· 1 year ago
Supporters of the Chinese getting out of Tibet have a window of opportunity now that the world is focused on the upcoming Beijing Olympics. China is worried about the scandal and stink, and can't crack down as easily because the world is watching. Not really sure if boycotting the Olympics does any good. I'd much rather see an American athlete can get on the medal stand to collect their gold with a "Free Tibet" t-shirt on and the star spangled banner playing behind them. Damn the geopolitical implications, THAT would make me feel like a proud American.
Lairor
· 1 year ago
Of course for that you'd need to find someone who was willing to be stripped of their medal for the cause à la Tommie Smith and John Carlos. Still, I do like the sound of that idea. I've always thought that one gesture was far more powerful than hundreds of rallies combined.
scottsolary
· 1 year ago
Visualize Whirled Peas!
Anarchy
· 1 year ago
I guess we, Burmese, are also in the same boat with Tibetans against China although not directly related, if you guys remember about military crack down in Burma last September
JMM
· 1 year ago
The show is wonderful! Short in time, but long in its thought provoking. Just enough humor and more than enough goods looks (Lindsay you are smokin hot). Thanks for the content and look forward to future shows.
myagito
· 1 year ago
Haha! I love the cosmetic morality in this country. The greatest triumph in modern PR was making Tibetan Buddhism the pilar of goodness and the innocent victim of Chinese opression. But only in the United States can we do such a thing since we don't even know our own history. How would the U.S. react to an uprising of Catholic priests asking for the return of California to Spain? Sure, Chinese is a dictatorship and they need to open their doors to Western journalists, but I fail to see the genocide. THat word is thrown to lightly these days and it might lose its force.
For a great article on this bullshit view read Christopher Hitchens article:
"Yet the entire Western mass media is uncritically at the service of a mere mortal who, at the very least, proclaims the utter nonsense of reincarnation and who affirms the sinister if not indeed crazy belief that death is but a stage in a grand cycle of what appears to be futility and subjection. What need, then, to worry about nuclear weaponry, or sectarian frenzy, or the sale of indulgences to men of the stamp of Steven Seagal? "Harmony" will doubtless kick in. During his visit to Beijing, our sentimental Baptist hypocrite of a president [Bill Clinton] turned to his dictator host, recommended that he meet with the Dalai Lama and assured him that the two of them would get on well. That might easily turn out to be the case. Both are very much creatures of the material world."
Lairor
· 1 year ago
Christopher Hitchens just outright hates anything that remotely has anything to do with religion. He even thinks Mother Teresa and Billy Graham were/are evil. Tenzin Gyatso is far from perfect, but Hitchens doesn't say anything in that article that paints him as a bad person. In the second last paragraph he comes out with the amazing logic of "some Buddhists are bad therefore all Buddhists are bad."
nolalou
· 1 year ago
This story brings up America's inconsistency when it comes to relations with countries that have oppressive governments. On the one hand, we have trade relations with China, and in fact owe them almost 1 trillion dollars, but on the other hand, I am not allowed to vacation in Cuba, becuase they have an oppressive communist goverment! Don't even get me started on Iraq!
Nob
· 1 year ago
The actual Tibetan show is just a U.S.A. backed China bashing.
opensermo
· 1 year ago
I think it would be a nice addition to start posting what city the interviews take place in, along with each video. Just a thought.
adamelend
· 1 year ago
Good idea - thanks!
adamelend
· 1 year ago
I was sent a really interesting link to a photo that, if legit, sheds new light on the riots:
That's how rumors spread out. This is the movie scene on show at 2001, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0293660/. Use your brain to think about it, in the open area, with witnesses standing around, military force change buddhists' cloth in public?
curious
· 1 year ago
But then why would the Chinese government want to cause the riot to draw attention now! That doesn't seem very logical.
Bob Smith
· 1 year ago
The Dalai Lama is not to blame. Chinese goverment acted well to resotre peace and save lives.
The ones to blame are the greedy Tibetan landownders and sepratists, who unleash violence because of their amibition to have their own country, which they are stealing from China. (Not so dissimilar from what is happening in Kosovo, where to Albanian's are hijacking Kosovo.)
These acts are against both Dalai Lama's and China's wishes. And it is even more so against inoscent people who have been murdered, such as shop owners, residents, bystanders and medical workers.
Verified
· 1 year ago
wow. ya'll is got a screw loose if you think the good ol' dolly lamo is just some innocent monk. i'm sure dahmer had lots of friends too. the way he even controls 'free-thinking-liberty-lovin' westerners with his concoted peacful image is truly fascinating.
Panda Bearnanke
· 1 year ago
I hate both sides. The Chinese do have a point about the "western media" (which includes eastern countries like Japan by the way) being biased. There is this undercurrent of China bashing. There's a lot to dislike about China but it does seem pouring it on. I can understand what the Chinese feel. It's like being raised in a really strict household where your parents spank you as discipline. You don't like it but you accept it and don't see it as something unusual. But when someone screams how your parents are child abusers and want your parents to go to jail you are shocked and defend your parents.
The mistake the Chinese government made is being completley idiotic and concoting ridiculous lies about the Dalai Lama. They threw credibility out the window right there. I also find it laughable that some Chinese have the audacity to accuse "westerners" of being fooled by the Dalai Lama. Logically think about that. Either the rest of the world who have free press was fooled or you are being lied to by your country which knowingly censors and distorts information. I don't blame the Chinese who live in China because they are blinded by nationalism and their government's propoganda. But I'm disgusted by the Chinese who live in America who still take the side of the Chinese government. They have access to the truth yet willingly choose to look the other way.
Also is inflector honestly comparing prisoners in China (whom most don't even get a fair trial and a lot are political) to african-american prisoners in this country? Hey maybe some african-americans get a raw deal but why are some people acting like we're jailing minorities for no reason? Are we so PC that we can't even fathom that some black guys are in prison because they did illegal things?
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By the way, I would love to see outtakes from people who were not willing to answer Lindsay's questions :)
It isn't a coincidence this is happening in the same year as the Olympic Games. All eyes are on China right so anything they do in reaction gets noticed tenfold. I think a boycott of the Olympics is in order. And not just because of Tibet but because China is China (and I'm talking about the PRC, I have nothing but respect for Taiwan) and their long history of human rights abuses, censorship, and overall poor treatment of their own people is contrary to the spirit of the games. Maybe I'm still just bitter about Toronto losing the bid but it is absolutely ridiculously the Olympics are being held in China. We could very well have a Munich meets Tian'anmen on our hands.
Nope, I think we need to clean up our own act first rather than getting all indignant on the Chinese.
That having been said, Tibet should be free. I think we can help more by setting a good example first before denouncing China.
The Dalai Lama's speeches and portraits are banned across Tibet by the Chinese authorities. “70 portraits of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and a few of his recorded CDs were seized in Karze county,” a spokesperson of the Tibetan government-in-exile said." SOURCE: http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14631139
I'm really pretty ignorant when it comes to Tibet. I mean...don't get me wrong....I've read as many bumper stickers as the next guy....but I guess if I'm going to have to choose I side I'll go against the communist oppressors and side with the ass-kicking monks who have been pushed around one too many times :)
Today, about 30 young Tibetan monks interrupted a briefing with the foreign press in Tibet. "Don't believe them. They are tricking you. They are telling lies"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSPEK2...
For a great article on this bullshit view read Christopher Hitchens article:
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html
Here is a quote:
"Yet the entire Western mass media is uncritically at the service of a mere mortal who, at the very least, proclaims the utter nonsense of reincarnation and who affirms the sinister if not indeed crazy belief that death is but a stage in a grand cycle of what appears to be futility and subjection. What need, then, to worry about nuclear weaponry, or sectarian frenzy, or the sale of indulgences to men of the stamp of Steven Seagal? "Harmony" will doubtless kick in. During his visit to Beijing, our sentimental Baptist hypocrite of a president [Bill Clinton] turned to his dictator host, recommended that he meet with the Dalai Lama and assured him that the two of them would get on well. That might easily turn out to be the case. Both are very much creatures of the material world."
http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/chinese-orche...
The ones to blame are the greedy Tibetan landownders and sepratists, who unleash violence because of their amibition to have their own country, which they are stealing from China. (Not so dissimilar from what is happening in Kosovo, where to Albanian's are hijacking Kosovo.)
These acts are against both Dalai Lama's and China's wishes. And it is even more so against inoscent people who have been murdered, such as shop owners, residents, bystanders and medical workers.
The mistake the Chinese government made is being completley idiotic and concoting ridiculous lies about the Dalai Lama. They threw credibility out the window right there. I also find it laughable that some Chinese have the audacity to accuse "westerners" of being fooled by the Dalai Lama. Logically think about that. Either the rest of the world who have free press was fooled or you are being lied to by your country which knowingly censors and distorts information. I don't blame the Chinese who live in China because they are blinded by nationalism and their government's propoganda. But I'm disgusted by the Chinese who live in America who still take the side of the Chinese government. They have access to the truth yet willingly choose to look the other way.
Also is inflector honestly comparing prisoners in China (whom most don't even get a fair trial and a lot are political) to african-american prisoners in this country? Hey maybe some african-americans get a raw deal but why are some people acting like we're jailing minorities for no reason? Are we so PC that we can't even fathom that some black guys are in prison because they did illegal things?